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qaeda out of business. plus, 13 states now moving to block sharia law. the republicans are fighting an enemy that does not exist. but wait until you see how far arizona is taking it. now, the republicans are out to lunch, but we already know that, right? today, speaker boehner, majority leader cantor and mccarthy trekked up to the white house to have lunch with president obama and vice president biden, in an effort to find common ground. oh, boy. they made aç talk after lunch d common ground was a theme. >> it was a very good lunch. and we were able to find enough common ground, i think, to show the american people we're willing to work on their behalf. >> we're coming out of this lunch committed to trying to do that because the economy so desperately needs us to work together to send the signal that we should start growing again as america, because that's what america does best. it innovates and leads.
>> i would say the main portion of the entire lunch was talking about the economy, ways that we could grow the economy, a lot to deal with regulation, reform to unleash those shackles that government holds, especially on small business. >> shackles. small business is shackled. the only way to free them is to cut spending. by the way, big business is spending on over $1 trillion and they won't spend it. so all this talk about small business is nonsense. all they want to do is cut their taxes and lower their regulation. and we should say that while republicans were pretending to look for common ground with the president, they were also at the same time releasing details of their proposed spending cuts to the president's budget. their budget cuts will officially be unveiled tomorrow, but they put them out today just to no one would make the mistake of believing they would ever agree with anything with the president. this is what america looks like
under republican rule and it looks scary. first, i want to start with nasa. nasa is a program republicans claim to like. they had their budgets slashed by only $100 million. that's what they did to a program they liked. so you know it didn't go well for the rest of us. republicans apparently think there's too much being thrown at a program that provides healthy food and formula. american under public roule wans to cut $1 billion to theç institutes of health. wants to cut the epa by $1.6 billion. pollution -- it's what's for dinner. and american under republican rule wants to cut the cops program that helps local law enforcement coordinate against child predators. come on, don't hard-working
criminals need a break, too? and they also want to eliminate americorps. everyone knows that teachers are for the weak. and what about jobs? nay said that the gop majority was going to be laser focused on it. well, the republicans want to cut job training programs by $2 billion. look, for all these different programs, i don't know what the right numbers should be, so can some of them be cut? yeah, maybe. maybe you should add to some of them. it's hard to tell exactly what the right numbers are, but these numbers are draconian. i don't trust the republicans because time after time after time, they get a paycheck from a lobbyist, they turn around and they do that lobbyist a favor. we show that and we prove that on this show all the time. so in this case, why are they cutting $1.6 billion from the epa? because they got paychecks from
lobbyists who work for the polluters. if you get paid for the polluters, of course, you want to take away the regulations that stop the pollution. it's obvious, and it's simple. but the main thing was they promised jobs. that's how they won the whole election. and they cut $2 billion from job training? did you know it's been 35 days and 18 hours since they took over the house and they still have proposed exactly 0 bills to create jobs. what happened? i thought it was supposed to be ability the jobs. joining me now is ohio congresswoman mar cy kaptur. a lot of cuts here. which ones were you most upset by? >> the ones that impact ordinary people, of course. they didn't do anything toç address the fact that hedge funds on wall street don't pay taxes at the same rate as small
businesses in my area. they didn't do anything to propose prosecution of those who took equity from the american people and sucked it right up into the six biggest banks in in the country. there hasn't been one prosecution to recover any of those assets. they're focused on taking away heating assistance for people in ohio, for example, tonight for people who will be living in zero temperatures. these are senior citizens, people who can ill afford to pay high heating bills. as you said, they're taking away job training from people who want to work in this country, who want to make a contribution. the reason we can't balance the budget, too many people are out of work. and the way you get people back to work is make sure they have the skills for an economy of a new age. they want to cut energy programs to invest in energy production in america that will create jobs, rather than importing more and more and more from abroad and extending our military into these unending wars to protect
the petroleum lanes around the world. wouldn't it be better to put people to work in america? >> congresswoman, you can't expect them to cut the bankers. no, no, no, no. they don't mean share pain that way. you can't expect them to cut spending on wars and weapons we don't need. no, no, of course not. i know that. what i want to know is, are there any cuts you would agree to or that you want to put on the table and say these are the things we need to cut? >> everything has to be on the table. for example, military spending, homeland security. when i look at the amount of money wasted by the department of homeland security, it's unbelievab unbelievable. if you look at the department of defense and those gold-plated contract, oh, my goodness. the military is asking for help to trim back. they know we can in-source a lot of these services. if you look at what they're leading çoff, military construction, we can extend the
years of construction. it doesn't have to be all done in the first couple of years. there are ways to exact, i would say reasonable cuts in almost every program. but they're cutting over $850 million from police. from police across this country and local law enforcement. with what we're facing in community after community with the drug trade doing all this damage all over the united states, does that make any sense to you? >> i thought the republicans were tough on crime, but apparently the way you cut the police is by cutting the police. i'm not sure how that works. if i were a listener or viewer, i would be wondering, how would i know what the budget of the epa would be, how much money the police say this, the republicans say this, the pratt democrats say that. how do you tell them? how do you make that decision? >> look at your own community, if you feel that there are fewer cops on the beat and crime is going up and that crimes are not being addressed which is happening coast to coast in this country, you know there's a problem.
look at the streets in your community. if you look in cold weather, whether people are not able to pay heating bills. through your church or through your work, look how many people remain out of work. you can judge by your own experience, not just what you hear on virtual media. but from your own experience. there are parts of the country that are protected from the recession. look around your community. how many empty homes do you see? how many foreclosed homes? people can judge by what is happening in their own area. and certainly, when there's an advertisement for a job, when 5,000 people line up for 50 jobs, you know america has a problem. >> yeah, you know, when i look around my community, i see, you know, billionaire bankers who just desperately need more money. i don't know why you're not seeing that, congresswoman. >> there hasn't been one criminal prosecution by the government of the united states against the absolute meltdown that wall street caused our nation and nations around the world.
think about that. and they want to cut the fbi. one of their proposals to cut the fbi, we ought to increase the fbiç so we can go after th wrong doers, confiscate their assets, make them pay their criminal penalties and help balance the budget. >> are there any key party people you might be able to agree with on cuts? of course, they want to propose and bigger cuts, but are there -- is there any room for agreement there? >> i think that we're looking for agreement. i think that across every account, we have to make reasonable cuts. i think the president's proposal for a freeze over five years in some accounts makes sense. i think we're going to get into the negotiation now, but i don't think that you really take it out on the people who have been hurt the most in this economy. i don't agree with that at all. >> i brought up the tea party. i think a lot of them do want to cut defense. i think some of them might be amenable to your ideas on banks. one last thing here, i've got to be honest with you, how did you
guys lose to these folks? you're right, there are local communities all throughout this country who are incredibly hurt and they say let's not address them, let's cut them. and let's give tax breaks to the very richest people in the country. i don't understand how the democratic party loses to that platform. >> trillions of dollars. the american people were so upset over just what you said -- jobs. they want jobs, they want this country to thrive. they're upset about the debt. they have a right to be upset about the debt. you get the debt problem solved by having a productive robust economy, and that's why people have to be working. we can't have people being idle across this country. that would heal so much. i think many people, including the tea party members that were elected, there are many of them very well intentioned, but they're not familiar with the programs. so they might want to take a meat ax rather than a scalpel. and i think we're now going to get into the discussions where we will, i hope make wise and intelligent choices that won't jeopardize the recovery and will
help put people back to work. >> all right, congresswoman, thank you for your time. we appreciate it. >> now the republicans beat themselves last night, which is interesting. rand paul is ripping leadership, boehner is blaming the democrats. but what were they fighting ç about? and who's right? the big republican mess. and christine o'donnell is back. and she's asking for money. we reveal her e-mail to her supporters. it's kind of sad.
breaking news. republican congresswoman chris lee of new york has resigned from congress effective immediately. the website gawker reported today that the married congresswoman posted a shirtless photograph of himself on craigslist. a 34-year-old woman told the website the congresswoman replied to her posting from the
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republican leadership went to theç white house trying to t the republicans onboard to their agenda, but they can't get their own members in their own party too listen to them. what should have been an easy vote to extend the patriot act failed. they couldn't keep their members in line. 26 republicans voted against the republican. eight of them were freshmen. and here's what i say to that -- good for them. and good for the tea party, the people who actually in this case voted on principle, and i agree with them. the patriot act should not have been renewed.
it's a real problem in regards to privacy. don't get me started only the national security letters. they were right on procedural grounds. we'll explain that in a second. the republican establishment hated that. rand paul ripped gop leadership today with the following statement. last night there was little debate, no committee hearings held, no amendments allowed and no examination of whether our government had lived up to its responsibility to protect the liberty of the people. i commend the house for rejecting the renewal of the patriot act on these grounds. it is likely that even with this temporary victory the house will pass these extensions and send the patriot act renewal to the senate. and wh senate. and when they do, i will oppose it. are you ready for this? way to go, rand paul. totally agree. if they offered no amendments and now all of a sudden they've changed their mind, way to be principled and stick to your grunds on that. and again, i agree on the
liberty part as well. house democrats loved this and they jumped at the chance to take a few digs at the new gop leaders. >> i think our republican colleagues are struggling with the burden of leadership and clearly they have not found their footing going forward. >> who's on first? i think that's aç question tha has to be asked of republicans right now. who's on first. >> they can hardly keep their smiles from beaming. they just lost, that's awesome. they got the tea party help and wound up winding. now, john boehner is on the defense and what's he going to do? of course, he's going to blame it on the democrats. >> it's been a majority for four weeks. we're not going to be perfect every day.
and if the democrats who voted for the same provisions last year would have voted for them this year, it would have passed. >> boo-hoo. if the democrats had voted my way, then i would have won. yeah, really? you're complaining about one party being united in opposition against the other party? where have i seen that before snf o? oh, right, the republicans zero votes for the democrats. the last two years. i don't think the guy understands the concept of irony. boehner tried to pretend that he's, in fact, a tea partier. >> are you a member of the tea party? >> i should be. >> are you? >> i talk to the tea party activists every day. >> you talk to them when they're yelling at you and defeating your bills. and orrin hatch is afraid of being primaried by the tea party like senator bob bennett so he
invited himself to a tea party hall last night and he joined superstars like rand paul and michelle bachmann and hatch sounded red dpi ady to play in a party big leagues. >> i've been watching what the tea party does. i've been terribly impressed. it's a terrible health care bill. it's a dos dog-gone monstrosity. i was the one who raised the issuen't a the job-killing employer man date and the unconstitutional employee mandate. i've been all over the world for our country. everywhere we go, people have always been amazed by america. and yet we're in danger of losing the greatest country in the world. so we've got to fight back.ç >> here's what i'm amazed by. orrin hatch. you're going to tell me your tai party? there's no one more republican establishment than orrin hatch who's been there for approximately 800 years. i love how he's riled up and
being tea party. it's a dog-gone monstrosity. golly gee wilackers, i'm really opposed to those guys. by the way, it's a mandate. i'm totally against that. orrin hatch co-sponsored a 1993 that had an individual mandate. it makes me so don-gone mad. >> all right, now let me turn to david weigel with slate. was it the tea partiers last night saying we don't like the patriot act? or was it we promised the american people of not allowing amendments or no debate, et cetera. do you know which it was or botha caused them to vote against boehner and the gop leadership? >> it was both.
not every member was clued into what they were voting on. everyone figured this would pass. reporters didn't think there was any controversy here. i remember eric cantor's briefing beforehand, people were referring to the vote that was going to pass that day. most of the concerns from the members i've ebeen talking to today who voted against it were actually about substance. rand paul brought up the deeper meaning of passing bills this way. but a lot -- the freshmen members who voted against this, the eight guys with we're talking about said look, there were provisions here i promised i was opposed to and i'm going to vote against it every time it comes up. they joined about a dozen and a half republicans who aren't libertarian or everything but have been voting this way for a couple of year fps. >> isn't this a lovely development when peopleç vote based on principle? whether you agree with the principle or not, i'm kind of shocked about it. what? they voted on principle?
it seems to be real principle. >> it is. don't get too kmieted. t -- excited. they tried to pass this, it was a closed rule, meaning they needed two thirds of congress to support it. they need every republican, a chunk of democrats. that's kwhie you heard john boehner maybe not completely convincingly blaming the democrats for not succeeding. they can usually lose a bloc of libertarianian republicans, and they did. ron mapaul is usually on the en of these votes, you know, when republicans have the majority right now, on the end of votes that pass overwhelmingly. there's a larger bloc of guys who are going to do that now. they've succeeded in making this a slightly more open process, but actually, they're going to vote again on a closed rule tomorrow, and then they're going to vote on the whole bill monday and it's extremely unlikely anything is going to change this time. >> look, isle take my victories where i can get them. >> sure. >> it was surprising, it was
great. both republicans and democrats voting on principle. but i love boehner blaming the democrats. how could the opposing party oppose me? there's some great irony in that. but dave, what i'm most interested in is real bipartisanship. it seems like there might be some issue where is the tea party people, the real left and right, genuinely agree on certain issues. isn't that a wonderful development? >> yeah, they can at least agree on transparency. i don't think there's a majority to make a lot of these things happen, but russ feingold lost re-election in 2010, and there are people very worried in the civil liberties community that there's nobody that's going to pick that banner up from now on. he was out front on everything like this. rand paul has come out, like people were hoping, said he's going to try to slow this down in the center. at least open the process up so this is not ran through like when democrats were in charge. w$n democrats were in charge of everything, there was a
bipartisan process of getting a patriot act rubber stamped. so yeah, there's actually some bipartisanship here possible. and, you know, anything that irritates the leadership of both parties, i -- i generally -- i'm not an anihilist, but i find that kind of exciting. >> i find it exciting, too. i think the establishment mainly does -- when you hear bipartisanship, normally it means they've agreed to give whatever the lobbyists want to the lobbyists. both parties agree to it. here when it's on principle, it's encouraging. i'll take my wins wherever i can. dave weigel, appreciate you coming on with us. >> thank you. let's stay off of craigslist tonight. >> well, i think you need to make sure republican congressmen listen to that. republicans said they're going to cut your social security. we'll tell you exactly what he said in a minute. and $180 million couldn't buy an
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million. now, most of that went to pay the tv stations, but they got a cut, too. that's pretty smart media of them. sorry, and there was the dr$1.1 for the corporate jets. then there was the personnel pay. a republican strategist for whitman's losing campaign got $5.5 million? how can i get that job? i could have you lose for $5 million, too. and her campaign manager took home almost $1 million. and the finance director got almost $500,000. she ironically ran on being a savvy businesswoman. if i spent $177 million and i got squat to show for it, i wouldn't go around bragging how much i rock in business. if the tea partiers think how bad they have it in taxes, they should try being a romanian
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>> what the protesters could do is you go sit in one of those rich guy's factories for a week and don't let him run that vaktry. all of a sudden he's going to be motivated to say i've got to change that one way or another. of course, it was a smart idea, that's why they did it. and i wish other people would listen to my advice as well. look, i've been telling this administration, you've got to be on the side of the protesters. and it turns out it's an excellent argument, because, how do you like me forç modesty? i've made an excellent argument seriously, look, if the protesters succeed, they're going to deal a huge blow to al qaeda. now why? let me explain. the protesters started out as kbroung guys gathering on the intern internet while waelghonim
started a facebook page called we were all kholid said. he was killed in egypt. when the protests started, it was the young people, the people who met on facebook, et cetera. muslim brotherhood was not part of the origin nat pral protest. in fact, it took them three days to announce support for the protest. oh, that's working? that's amazing. we're in, we're in. people telling you the muslim brotherhood are the ones doing this protests, it's simply not true. prosecu protesters do not equal the muslim brotherhood. now they've joined on a little late tost protests but they're not the ones who started it. and other people tell you in this country, oh, the muz lime brotherhood are with al qaeda and the terrorists, et cetera. not true. muslim brotherhood does not equal al qaeda. in fact, did you know the muslim
brotherhood kicked out the second guy in charge of al qaeda because he wouldn't agree to nonvi lens. they wanted him to do the nonviolent route. al qaeda wanted to do the violent route, and they disagreed so they split apart. knew now, why would al qaeda be weakened by the protests? because the protests are nonviolent. they say hey, we're going to go for democracy here and if they succeed, well, then the people of egypt and the people of the middle east will see hey, nonviolence can work. and al qaeda hates that. al qaeda's whole program is violence. and you think al qaeda wants democracy? they don't want democracy. but now if the fro tests çfail qualcomms and says you see that, i told you nonviolence wasn't going to work. i told you america wasn't going to support you. i told you they were going to support the dictator. now the only way to do it is violence, the al qaeda way. now a perfect example is a screen shot of a high level al qaeda web forum urging egyptians
to leave tahrir square, establish a new al qaeda branch in egypt and wage violent jihad against mubarak. get it? they want the protesters to leave the protest. they want to go the route of violence and the protesters disagree. how much clearer could it be. we've got to be on the side of the protesters. and not just for their sake, not for the sake of egypt and the for the sake of the middle east, but also for our sake. we don't want to strengthen al qaeda, we want to make it weaker. evan coleman, first of all, let's talk about muslim brotherhood and their relationship to these protests. is it true they're not the ones who started it? >> they're not the ones who started these protests. they are involved in it, but that makes perfect sense. they are the major opposition group in egypt. they have been involved in political protests before. they are one segment of the protests going on right now. they're not the leaders of it.
>> all right, now, again, here in this country, there's this vision of oh, my god, muslim brotherhood, it's the boogieman. is it true they have gone down the road of nonviolence and they had after rift with zwahiri? >> the muslim brotherhood are about as far apart as you can imagine. they call each other illegitimate. the muslim brotherhood has come out very frequently and said yawl is not what we want to do. we're against their agenda. and al qaeda has said you guys are sellouts. you're traitors to the cause. we don't believe in you anymore. so look, did the muslim brotherhood support armed groups? the middle east? yes, they do. like hamas. do they share the exact same foreign policy as the united states? no, it does not. is it al qaeda? absolutely not. absolutely not. >> let's talk about al qaeda. it's curious, they have not made a statement so far on çthis, i that correct? >> the very first statement came out today and it wasn't from al qaeda central. it was frf al qaeda in iraq.
and it was very bland. they said say, yes, we support activities against hosni mubarak, but what they also said is these protests are infected with the disease of secularism, with infidel democracy, suggesting that look, only violence will remove these regimes. these protests, it's infected with democracy, which is not our agenda. >> is it also possible that al qaeda is not making a statement on this, the central al qaeda basically based in pakistan, because they're on the run? >> look right now, al qaeda in central, al qaeda in pakistan, if they want to issue a statement about what's going on in the world, they can issue it within days. they can get it out immediately. the only reason they would be waiting right now is if it's not in their benefit. and there's good reason to believe that al qaeda is looking at this sayinging loo, why would we stick our foot in our mouth? we don't know what's going to happen. if something terribly violent ends up happening in egy egypt, al qaeda can come along
and say we told you so, we told you the protest rallies would never remove this regime. the only path was violence. so it's the i told you so argument. that's probably why al qaeda is waiting now and hedging its bets. >> i also see they may be in trouble in pakistan, they're having trouble getting out tapes. is there any truth to that? >> the problem isn't transportation. it's financial. they can issue videotapes or audio tapes almost three or four days after an event occurred. if al qaeda really wanted to say something, they've had many, many days to weigh in. they haven't. this isn't a lack of opportunities to communicate, it's a deliberate decision. >> as americans look at this, dç they see the same thing we do?
if we're on the side of the dictator, we're kind of proving al qaeda's case, aren't aren't we? >> if you look at some al qaeda propaganda films, especially the beginning ones that came out around 9/11, half are about the regime of hosni mubarak. half of al qaeda senior leadership, over half are egyptians, are dissidents opposed to hosni mubarak. now if all of a sudden the mubarak regime was to change overnight and we had a democratic government in egypt that, maybe not 100% in love with the united states, but one that's peaceful and willing to accept stability in the region, would that do damage to to al qaeda? 100%. of course it would. it would remove their reason for existen existence. . ite would prove them completely wrong. it's not whether that government agrees with us or disagrees with us in the short term or the midte midterm. it's that they agree with our philosophy. they agree with our system of government. this couldn't be a better case to be made against al qaeda,
right? >> we have to promote democracy, otherwise we're giving al qaeda the perfect opportunity to say look, we told you, they're liars. they're not interested in democracy. they're just interested in their own personal gain s. we don't want to turn egyptians against us, the same way that iraqis turned against us because we invaded there in 2003. we want egyptians to understand we are in support of their democratic principles, and their right to protest. because they do have a right to protest. >> really appreciate it. michelle obama says facebook is offlimit to her kids, but should all parents fear it? missing so? now you get a cleanser with scope freshness. new fixodent plus scope ingredients. cleans and kills germs that cause odors to your dentures. new fixodent cleanser plus scope ingredients. hey tough guy, that cold needs alka-seltzer plus!
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at lendingtree.com, where customers save an average of $293 a month. call lendingtree today. >> are sasha and malia onç facebook? >> no. >> is that because of who they are or you're not in favor of it? >> i think we're lucky there are a lot of constraints like secret service and stuff like that. but i'm not a big fan of young kids have been facebook, so i, you know, it's not something they need. it's not necessary right now. >> so they cannot go on facebook. sasha is 9 years old and malia is 12 years old. i found out today you have to be 13 to sign up for facebook. but she's concerned as they're getting to 13. she has the great excuse, secret service won't let her, but not
every parent has that excuse. did you know americans spend more time on facebook than they do on any other website? facebook accounts for 12.3% of time spent online in the u.s. which is gigantic. what will poor sasha and malia do with their spare time? professor, should kids go on facebook? yes or no, go. >> no, they should not be on facebook before they're 13. anyone can go in and kind of lie about it. i spoke -- >> people lying online? no, that will never happen. >> here's the problem is parents are signing up with their kids and encouraging them often under 13 and letting them do it. so why would you have your first connection with something they're going to use for the rest of their lyes perhaps be a lie? and parents who won't let their kids drink or do other things think starting before 13 is
fine. i have 7-year-old twins. they're not on it, but they have friends who are less than their age already on facebook. >> what's the dinger? aren't they going to go online at some point and run into all this stuff? isn't the cat out of the bag? >> at some point they will, but you want to delay it as much as possible. facebook is not the environment that they need to be on right now. >> why? what's wrong with the environment? >> first of all, just the fact that the terms of service, the rules are you have to be 13 and older. there are all kinds of people on there and you don't want your kids associating with people who they don't know. and there'sç a deeper thing he that is this the time they should be spending maybe reading, maybe talking to their friends? >> they're reading their friends' updates. it turns out sally had a sandwich. that's reading. >> 50 i could use the secret service to control my kids. >> how about kids above 13? do you think that's kosher? >> facebook is going to be an integral part of our lyes. and so they know it's a place where eventually you have your business relationships and things. you definitely want to be on
facebook, but just be careful. just with everything you do on line, be safe and do it carefully. a lot of parents just don't pa pay attention to this stuff with their kids. >> i've got to be honest with you. i'm partly not buying it. the world is a scary place and you've got to teach your kids to be careful about everything. don't walk down the street without looking at both sides. don't walk on facebook without being careful on both sides. but then you've got to let them go. >> ythey're going to be a bar some day. why wait until they're 21. let them go now. >> i would let my 18-year-old into a bar. >> how about your 15-year-old? >> we're having a conversation. >> the problem is not an individual parent or individual child. you can trust your child, but once they're on, it puts pressure on other parents to let their kids on. we've got to get together and say facebook is good, but you don't have to be on there. what's the rush? >> i know what the rush is. since their friends are on there, they've got to go, go, go. here's one thing they have to
avoid. craigslist, apparently. there's shirtless republicans on there and they can be dangerous. but that guy resigned today. professor, it's been a great pleasure having you on. >> good to be here. >> 13 states are trying to protect against the very real threat of sharia law. that's absurd. but wait until you hear what arizona has also banned. [ kid ] it was the final play. the big guy broke from the sidelines. and just like that, the goal was no longer the end zone... but the coveted blue bag. fumble! [ male announcer ] with so many real chocolate chips you'll never forget the moments that are crammed with joy, chips ahoy!
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mongering in the media about sharia law has finally paid off. legislators in 13 states have introduced or passed bills designed to protect their constituents of the nonexistent b threat of the sharia law in the u.s. thank god, because nebraska and utah were this close to getting captured by muslim radicals. they avoided that terrible fate by the skin of their teeth. i couldn't believeç how strong the ayatolla of omaha had gotten. the republicans need to give one an andmy. if one doesn't exist, they have to manufacture it. if they can get the good people of mississippi to believe they're actual i will under the
imminent threat of being taken over by islamic law, what can't they get them to believe? this is their bread and butter. they thrive on here. they have to get the voters scared, otherwise how do they get them to vote against their own interests? the winner is arizona. the legislation is similar to other bills, but arizona house bill 2582 actually also prohibits canon law, halacha law and karma. they want to ban the concept of good deeds leading to good results and bad deeds leading to bad results. can you do that? if there's no karma in arizona does that mean we can do anything we want in